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Topic: How do Christians view the 'FATHER' ?
in relation to

1. Moses
2. Jesus
1, jesus worship to the father

3. Judgement day

4. hereafter

and 5. the image of the Father in christianity as a whole?

thanks.
Jul 21, 2008
5:58 PM

Posted by azizur rohman

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Easy answer:

Moses was a prophet of God

God is triune and is fully the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Jesus did not worship the Father, he talked to him.
Humans usually use the word "pray" when talking about communicating with God but not all prayer is worship, prayer is also asking for help, thanking him or just sharing experiences with him.

God will judge mankind and the angels on the Judgment Day.

God will rule in the hereafter just as he rules now.

Christians recognize God as triune and do not have a problem understanding that God is beyond our perception and understanding.........Trying to understand the Islamic concept of God is like no longer seeing the world as three demensional......Regardless of what Muslims say, Christians only believe in one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

You are welcome.
Jul 21, 2008
7:25 PM

Posted by Darlene 

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But the question is, how is jesus God? You see God does not shy away from clearly confirming who he is, both in the Torah and Quran God identifies himself as the absolute One true God, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Yet messiah always maintains God of Abraham is greater then him, all power and authority is with God of Abraham alone and only his will is done most importantly only God of Abraham knows the hour.
Jul 22, 2008
10:09 PM

Posted by Only Human 

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Darlene,

Some points need a little clarification from you or other Christians agreeing with your post:

Jesus did not worship the Father,

Jesus was a Jew & Jews worshiped Jehovah.
He did only the same as all other prophets that preached for worshipping "Jehova" [markedly with Sons of Israel more than other nations], which is a kind of worshipping.
If you claim he was a God, Why does a God preach for worshipping another God [remember, by your sentece you made them 2 seperate entities now and both are divine because you refused the claim that Jesus worshipped Father like other and normal humans should worship Father]?

How can you ignore that preaching for worship is a kind of worship like when Jesus said to the Devil:

“Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."

Matthew 4:10

Was it unclear ?

Ok, When Jesus admit that "Father"/"Jehovah" is his God, like when he said to "Mary Magdalene":

"I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God"

John 20:17

Isn't this confession considered by you an action of "worshipping"?

he talked to him.

If we accept that he was just talking here [just a divine balanced talk]:

“Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed”

Mark 1:35

“But Jesus often withdrew to lonely places and prayed”

Luke 5:16

"I praise you, Father, lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure”

Luke 10:21

“About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’"
[which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”]

Matthew 27:46

We will find somehow to accept the previous as a normal talk, but what about those:

“Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will’”

Matthew 26:39

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Luke 22:41-42

Humans usually use the word "pray" when talking about communicating with God but not all prayer is worship, prayer is also asking for help, thanking him or just sharing experiences with him.

What's your identification for "Worshipping"?
Is it different from when someone kneel down and talk to "God" while he knows that God will not answer him back in a humanistic way [at least directly, considering that the connection between Jesus & God was through the "Holy Spirit"] ? I mean, while anyone is praying, he/she is talking or hoping to be talking to God so you didn't tell clearly how different it was with "Jesus".
He did all the actions of prays and prayed as a weak Human & you don't call it worship.

God will judge mankind and the angels on the Judgment Day

What are the basis in Chritianity you relied on for giving this claim ?
Sources ?

An added Question I wonder about [in case you can help with your Christian Background]:

Why do we give too much worshipping to the messenger instead of the one who sent him [the one that the message sent was and have always been originally about]?

“He that sent me is real.”

John 7:28

Jul 23, 2008
8:35 AM

Posted by Maged ماجد

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darlene your statement

''Jesus did not worship the Father, he talked to him. ''

shocked me at the most, you being a Christian, came as a shock to me, because you claim to follow jesus and read the bible.



''Jesus did not worship the Father, he talked to him.
Humans usually use the word "pray" when talking about communicating with God but not all prayer is worship, prayer is also asking for help, thanking him or just sharing experiences with him. ''

-John 4:23, In the _New World Translation_ this verse reads:

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will _worship the Father_ with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him."

Jesus NEVER said he was the Father whom he prayed to.

Brothe magicd put it very nicely, to get a understanding that even jesus prayed to the father, and commanded so.

''Regardless of what Muslims say, Christians only believe in one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. ''

if jesus prayed to a diffrent god, even claims just as prophet muhammad, that ' he of his own will can do nothing'. clearly indicates two diffrent entities in terms of power and authourity?.

how did jesus not worship 'the father in heaven' when he fell face flat on the ground in submission?

if thats not worship what is it?

Numbers 20:6 And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the Lord appeared unto them.

Psalm 95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our Maker.

Darlene do you worship the 'Father' as Jesus taught?

has JESUS EVER said 'worship me'?

And be steadfast in prayer;
Practice regular charity;
And bow down your heads
With those who bow down.
Holy Qur'an 2:45
Aug 6, 2008
7:01 PM

Posted by azizur rohman

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darlene CAN you elaborate

How do Christians view the 'FATHER' ? in relation to

2. Jesus

you put:

God is triune and is fully the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Aug 6, 2008
7:09 PM

Posted by azizur rohman

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how do you percive jesus with the father?
Aug 6, 2008
7:11 PM

Posted by azizur rohman

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good question.....
Aug 8, 2008
11:33 AM

Posted by sαimα 

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care to answer,

Whos the greater God? 'Jesus' or 'The father'

in the bible description i understand it to be the 'The father'.
Aug 8, 2008
1:13 PM

Posted by azizur rohman

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the father:)
Aug 8, 2008
2:47 PM

Posted by sαimα 

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